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MDT LSS Gen 3 Chassis

MDT LSS Gen 3

Chassis Review

  I am not a super precision rifle type of guy, but I do see the benefits of having a chassis system. That is why I was excited when MDT recently brought out their LSS Gen 3 chassis system. I had recently picked up a Bergara for review and knew the MDT chassis would be a great fit. I opted for “The Tactical” pre-configured LSS Gen 3.

  MDT has been updating chassis as the years go on. In fact, I have a LSS-XL Gen 1. Now they are on Gen 3 of the LSS chassis. What makes the LSS Gen 3 standout is its adjustability. Now you can purchase just the baseline chassis, with no buttstock and a small forend. Or, you can go all out and purchase different forends, different stocks, as well as pistol grip options. If you don’t want a stock, you don’t have to get one. The LSS Gen 3 is super customizable. 

  MDT also thought of something else with the LSS Gen 3. They have 3 pre-configured option packages: The Worker, The Tactical, and The Competitor. The Worker is the stripped down, lightweight version. The Competitor is the chassis you might want for shooting precision rifle competitions. Then there is the Tactical. I chose the Tactical for MDT to send out. It fits what I was looking for to install on the Bergara. So I will mainly focus on it, with some other stuff thrown in.

  Before I start on the Tactical, let me intrigue you with all the options one can choose on the LSS Gen 3. As of now, you get two color options, Black or FDE. You then choose your rifle’s action, there are plenty to choose from. Next you get to decide your stock interface. This is the only option that you need to choose if just buying the chassis by itself. There are three options: XTN (essentially MDT’s interface), Pic Rail (for folding stocks), and Carbine (Standard AR buffer tube). Then you can choose your stock, if applicable. If MDT doesn’t have a stock option you like, the LSS Gen 3 can accept just about any stock on the market. After you decide if you want a stock or not, you can choose what forend you want. As of now there are only two, the tactical and the competition. Lastly you can choose a pistol grip. Again, if you don’t like the options, any AR style pistol grip without a beavertail will work. 

  Now let’s get into the MDT LSS Gen 3 Tactical. The Tactical version comes pre configured with certain parts that make it feel more like an AR than a competition rifle. These include the forend, stock, and pistol grip, more on those later. The main Gen 3 chassis is the same across the board. It comes with some small polymer handguards attached to it. These can be used by themselves or removed to attach one of the other forends. This main chassis also has a built-in barricade stop on the front of the magwell. The Gen 3 chassis uses standard AICS pattern magazines. If you have a rifle that uses a blind or hinged magazine, it will convert it to use those AICS compatible magazines. To remove those magazines, MDT installed an ambidextrous mag release. Just push it forward with your trigger finger and the mags drop free. The Tactical model also uses the Carbine buttstock adapter so you can mount any AR buffer tube style stock to the chassis. MDT uses their Elite pistol grip for the Tactical version. This is an angled AR style grip with a soft overmold. 

  The forend on the Tactical version has some great features. First up, it has M-Lok slots at every 45 degrees. It also has a top picatinny rail out at the end of the handguard. This rail can be used to attach extra optics like night vision or thermal. This handguard has a long cut out toward the receiver. I believe this is so that larger optics will not interfere with the handguard. At 13.7” long, the tactical handguard gives plenty of room for attaching accessories like a bag plate or bipod. Since the Bergara I attached the Gen 3 LSS to only has an 18” barrel, it compliments the rifles “tactical” looks.

  Since the Tactical LSS Gen 3 uses a buffer tube style adapter, MDT supplies their top of the line carbine stock. The supplied stock is MDT’s SCS, or Skeleton Carbine Stock. This thing has more adjustments then I probably need, but they are sweet. On the SCS is an adjustable cheek piece that can quickly be adjusted with a thumb screw. The angle and location can also be changed by loosening some screws and re-tightening them. The actual buttpad interface has adjustments for the location on the buffer tube, as well as the angle, by also loosening screws. The buttpad interface is somewhat foot shaped with a flat bottom. It has an M-Lok slot at the bottom for attaching stuff. There is also a QD hole built into this foot for attaching a sling. Then there is a big thumb screw for quickly adjusting the length of pull on the buttpad. Along with the quick adjust screw, there are little thumb screws to lock this adjustment down. Then the buttpad itself can be adjusted up or down by loosening another little thumb screw. Even though there are a lot of adjustments with the SCS stock, it makes for a real nice interface between you and the rifle.

  I proceeded to mount up the MDT LSS Gen 3 Tactical to my Bergara Ridge SP in 308. I knew this would be the perfect platform. The Ridge only has a 18” barrel which makes it the perfect length for the Tactical chassis. Installation was pretty easy, just follow MDT’s instructions and use a torque wrench. Once installed I proceeded to take it to the range. Does the rifle shoot better because of the chassis? I couldn’t tell as this rifle shoots sub MOA with match ammo. But I do know that having the action sitting in a stable platform, like this chassis, will help with consistency. One advantage of the Tactical chassis, over the Bergara’s stock, is that the chassis won’t flex. I noticed this when trying out the built in barricade stop. The stock rifle didn’t even have one, but the MDT’s built in stop seemed to work pretty good. I also stuck on a bipod using one of the bottom M-Lok slots. The M-Lok slots are very useful, as is the top pic rail. To round out the handguard I installed some FDE Nile grip panels from Walker Defense. They match well, but more importantly is that they give a great grip to the smooth handguard of the Tactical chassis. My only complaint about the chassis is its weight. This could be a plus or minus in your mind. Heavy is better for a precision rifle, but light is better for a tactical rifle, at least in my opinion. Since this is labelled as “Tactical”, I was hoping for a pound or two less. However, If I were to just put a standard AR stock on it, it would lighten it up a bit. But then you would lose all the adjustability in the great SCS stock. So choose for yourself what you want, which is really the best feature about the LSS Gen 3. 

  If you are thinking about getting a chassis for your rifle, MDT makes some of the best out there. The LSS Gen 3 makes it possible to get just what you want, or don’t want. You get to choose. Or if you just want a pre configured chassis, like The Tactical, they have that too. I have been very pleased with the MDT LSS Gen 3 Tactical chassis. It makes the rifle look and shoot great. Go take a look at it over at MDT.

Firearms Insider Reviews - Key Points

Claim to Fame:

Configurable chassis

Target Market:

Those wanting a precision chassis that gives them options

Features, Benefits, and Specifications of this product:

  • 5.74 pounds complete for “Tactical” version

  • 2.2 pounds chassis only

  • Interchangeable Forends

  • Customizable Buttstock Interface

  • Interchangeable buttstocks

  • AICS Magazine Compatibility

  • Ambidextrous Magazine Latch

  • V-block bedding

  • Barricade stop

  • Compatible with AR-15 style grips

  • Compatible with M-LOK thumb shelf

  • Action stays in chassis when changing forend & stock, maintaining zero

  • 6061 aluminum construction

  • Cerakoted Black or FDE

  • 1.25” barrel channel

What other aesthetic options or finishes are available?

Also can be had in basic black, but the options are too many to list

What others are saying?:

Nothing found as of publishing

Link to other reviews:

Tactical Gear Guy  

Price point:

MSRP = $459.90 - $1509.75

Retail = $1059.75 as shown in Tactical Kit

I need it now! Availability:

MDT, MidwayUSA, or OpticsPlanet

Our Rating:

Pros:

  • Configurable aluminum rifle chassis

  • Ways to mount just about any buttstock

  • Interchangeable forends

  • Uses AR pistol grips

Tactical Kit Pros:

  • Multiple M-Lok slots

  • Multi-adjustable stock

  • AR style buffer tube adapter

Cons:

  • Can be heavy (Good or Bad depending on set up)

Score: 8.50 Great

Sightmark Presidio 5-30x56

Sightmark Presidio

5-30x56 LR2 Review

  When it comes to magnified optics, prices and quality can range drastically. Sightmark is not new to these magnified optics and has various different product lines. Sightmark's Presidio line is somewhere in the middle of what they have to offer, which fits with what I was going to do with it. 

  I was looking for a fairly high power magnified optic. That is where Sightmark came in. They have a first focal plane Presidio in 5-30x56. It has a mil style Christmas tree reticle called the LR2. It was perfect for the Bergara I was reviewing. This much magnification makes it easier for my eyes to see targets at distance. So testing accuracy on the Bergara was easy thanks to the Presidio 5-30.

  The specifications of the Presidio 5-30 are really what make it a great optic. That 6x zoom makes it possible to see fairly close up and still reach out. Its large 56mm objective lens allows good light transmission so you can see your target, even at dusk on high magnification. The 30mm one piece body makes it easy to find scope mounts. The parallax adjustment is adjustable from 20 yds to infinity, so the Presidio can still work well on a PCP style airgun or even a 22 long rifle. It has an illuminated red reticle so you can see it better at dusk or dawn. Plus, if you want it, Sightmark throws in a throw lever. All the other details are down below in the Features and Benefit section.

  Sightmark uses their LR2 Mil reticle in the Presidio. This reticle is a pretty standard First Focal Plane Christmas tree style reticle (see picture). Since it is a first focal plane, the stadia marks of the reticle stay the same size throughout the magnification range. The LR2 reticle has windage and elevation marks at 0.5 mil increments, with mil numbers at 2, 4, 6, 8, and 10 mils. Out at the outer left, right, and top are 0.1 mil marks. They are intended to give a more accurate range estimation, when using the reticle for determining the range to a target. The Christmas tree dots can be used to combine wind and elevation holds, giving you a precise reference on where to aim. Lastly, the stadia line thickness is 0.03 mils, so you get a super precise aiming point. If you want the full hash marked reticle in view, you can only adjust the scope’s power up to 18x. After that the reticle starts to get cut off in the window. At 30x, you get about 2⁄3 's of the reticle’s marked stadia. 

  When looking at optics in this price range, optic clarity is huge. The Presidio 5-30 pleasantly surprised me for a $500 optic. When looking through the optic, it is very clear and has very little chromatic abrasion throughout the magnification range. Eye relief is decent. However, I did notice a slight difference between 5x and 30x. The weird part is that 30x seemed more forgiving than 5x, Usually it is the other way around and the lower magnification is more forgiving on eye relief. The field of view, or the width of what you see looking through the scope, is a little narrower than some optics. So finding a target at the higher magnifications can be a little more difficult. I wouldn’t call this a deal breaker for sure, just something to note for some shooters. 

  Having an illuminated reticle on the Presidio is nice. It is not daylight bright, but it is not intended to be. If you are shooting in lower light, or even cloud cover, it works nicely. There are 6 brightness adjustments on the left turret. In between each level is an “off” resting spot. I really like having an off position between brightness levels. That way I don’t have to try and remember to turn the knob all the way to the off position. Sightmark says the battery life on the Presidio has a 150 hour average. So at lower levels you can get up to 500 hours. This may not sound like a lot, but that's basically a week of being turned on all the time, or more. 

  The Presidio 5-30 uses target style turrets. I think these style turrets were a good option for the Presidio. They don’t stick up too far and are large enough to get a good grip on. The turrets produce a decent click when adjusting them and it can be felt. Each click adjusts the scope by 0.1 mil. The elevation turret has numbers 0-9, with 10 hash marks between the numbers. Each number is 1 mil and each hash mark is 0.1 mil. The windage knob has a zero position, then it is marked either 1R, 2R, etc, or 1L, 2L, etc. Each number is also 1 mil with 0.1 mil hash marks between them. For example, if the bullet needs to go left, just move the dial toward 1L. Both the windage and elevation knobs can be set to zero once you are sighted in. On the left side of the Presidio is the parallax knob and the brightness knob. These are pretty self explanatory. A win for the Presidio is that it also comes with a zero stop. This is very uncommon for optics in the Presidio’s price range. The zero stop is also easy to install. 

Radio tower lamp is approximately 300 yds away

  As mentioned previously, I mounted up the Sightmark Presidio on a Bergara bolt action rifle. The rifle is a 308 win. I found the Presidio to perform well enough on that platform. The eye relief made it harder to get the scope forward enough with normal picatinny rings. If I had an extended pic rail mounted on the Bergara, that would have helped. One disadvantage of the Presidio is its 30 mm tube. Because of this, you only get 18 mils of travel out of it. With the Bergara’s 20 moa base, I still only get 12.5 mils of up adjustment in the Presidio. That means that I can only dial the optic out to a range of around 1100 yards with the 308 cartridge. I don’t expect to ever shoot this past that, but it is something that I feel needed mentioning. The Presidio 5-30 is heavy, like 2 pounds worth. I know it isn’t a small optic, and other optics in this price range weigh about the same, but I was hoping for a little lighter. Other than that, I have been happy with the Presidio. I just can’t get over how clear the optic is.

  If you are looking at a decent optic to get into longer range shooting, the Sightmark Presidio 5-30x56 may be it. It has great glass for an optic in this price range. The nice turrets and zero stop make it a great choice for whatever you are doing. Yes it has some performance limitations, but in this price range, that can be expected. If you are looking for that decent, entry level, long range optic, the Sightmark Presidio might be a good choice for you.

Firearms Insider Reviews - Key Points

Claim to Fame:

Variable power, budget friendly, high magnification first focal plane optic

Target Market:

Anyone looking for a quality higher powered first focal plane optic 

Features, Benefits, and Specifications of this product:

  • Reticle brightness settings: 6

  • Magnification (x): 5-30

  • Objective lens diameter (mm): 56

  • Eyepiece diameter (in/mm): 1.74 / 44.1

  • Exit pupil diameter (mm): 36.6

  • Eye relief (in/mm): 3.7 / 95

  • Field of view (ft @100yd): 22ft - 3.7ft

  • Tube diameter (mm/in): 30 / 1.18

  • Parallax setting (yds): 20 - ∞

  • Mil adjustment (one click =): 1/10

  • Windage adjustment range (MRAD): 18

  • Elevation adjustment range (MRAD): 18

  • Zero stop included

  • Throw lever included

  • Maximum caliber: .338

  • Battery type: CR2032

  • Battery life (hours): 150 - 500 hrs

  • Shockproof, Fog proof 

  • 1st Focal plane

  • IP67 - waterproof and dustproof

  • Body material: Aluminum

  • Fully multi-coated lenses

  • Operating temperature (°F/°C): -20 to 160 / -29 to 71 F/C

  • Length (in/mm): 15.67 / 398.02

  • Width (in/mm): 3.79 / 96.25

  • Height (in/mm): 3.02 / 76.71

  • Weight (oz): 33 oz

What other aesthetic options or finishes are available?

3-18x50

What others are saying?:

5 out of 5 stars from Randy on Optics Planet  

I was skeptical at first, decided to take a chance because it had a lifetime warranty and I watched a video on it from one the head tech/designer at Sightmark. I was impressed so I bought it. I wasn’t disappointed when I got it. This scope feels like a much more expensive scope. Turrets are solid, audible and precise. Has an elevation stop and removable turret caps to set back to zero when you’re done sighting. The throw lever on the magnification works really well. Clarity is very good, high and low. It weighs as much or more than scopes costing twice as much. I have it on an AR 50 A1 - .50 BMG and have put 12 rounds on it with no issues so far. As solid as it is and the few rounds I’ll shoot a lot of .50 BMG I don’t see any issues forthcoming.

Link to other reviews:

The Gun Zone  

Price point:

MSRP = $539.97

Retail = $449.97 on Amazon

I need it now! Availability:

Amazon, SightMark, MidwayUSA, or your local dealer

Our Rating:

Pros:

  • Great clarity

  • LR2 mil reticle

  • First Focal Plane

  • Illuminated reticle

  • Target turrets

  • Zero Stop

Cons:

  • Long

  • Heavy

  • Long eye relief

  • Small elevation adjustment range

Score: 7.50 Good

Favorite Link:  Bergara B-14 Ridge SP Review