Tisas 1911 Double Stack (2011)

Review

In the world of double stack 1911 style pistols, or 2011’s as some people call them, there are a ton to choose from. Their prices range anywhere from about $500 up to the $5000'nds. Tisas started making their 1911 double stacks a few years ago. These are value priced, 9mm 2011 style pistols that punch above their price range. Tisas has both a carry and full size version. Since I am not carrying a 2011 style pistol, I opted for the Tisas 1911 Duty B9R Double Stack, which is their full size 5” version.

The first thing you notice, when you pull the Tisas 1911 DS out of the box, is all the upgrades it has. To start with, the B9R uses a standard style 2011 polymer grip frame with a rail. This means that it is compatible with most aftermarket grip frames available for 2011 style pistols, including metal frames. This frame has a built-in magazine well and some texture around the grip, as do most of these style frames. Being a 1911 style pistol, there is also a high ride, extended beavertail grip safety with a memory bump. Then there is the slightly extended, ambidextrous, thumb safety. This safety has fine lines on it for better grip. The hammer is a commander-ish style. Then there is an extended magazine release. But somehow, the mag release is not checkered or lined, which I did not care for. All of that is followed by a bull barrel and one piece guide rod. The B9R is also cut for a RMSc footprint optic. So as you can see, this pistol has a ton of upgrades already on it.

Now that we have the base features out of the way, I will get into them a little deeper starting with the slide. The slide on the Tisas B9R resembles any 1911 slide. It has a curved top reminiscent of old school 1911’s. But that is where it stops. Everything else is new school. Tisas put front and rear, angled, cocking serrations on it. These serrations are really nice and grippy so you will have no problems racking the slide. The muzzle end is cut slightly narrower, mainly for looks, because I can’t see any other reason for it. Sitting on top of the slide is a nice set of iron sights. The front is fiber optic and the rear is blackout serrated. The sight picture is nice. Then Tisas cuts the slide for an RMSc style optic. This cut is deep, so much so that the factory iron sights will co-witness with the optic of your choice.

The Tisas’ 2011 style frame is nice. Yes, it has a few minor setbacks, but not everything can be perfect in a $800 2011 ish pistol. The only real setback I found is the smoothness of the grip. The texture Tisas uses is a little lacking. I’m not carrying the B9R next to my skin, so give me some more texture. Even the front and rear checkering needs to be deeper. Tisas does offer a “Coarse” grip module, which I may be checking out. The only other disappointment in the B9R’s frame is the non textured magazine release. Please add some texture. The grip also has a small magazine well built into it. It works well enough, but if you are using the B9R for competition, you may want to add a larger one. Everything else on the grip is great. The Tisas has a rail for lights. Both safeties, the grip and the ambidextrous thumb safety, are nice. The grip safety has a memory bump to help always depress it. The thumb safety has a nice texture and size to it. The B9R also has a squared trigger guard similar to most 2011 style frames.

Since the Tisas B9R is a 1911 style pistol, we have to talk about the trigger. Tisas uses a flat style trigger on the B9R. It appears to be around “medium” length which works well for this pistol. The trigger broke around 5.5 pounds when I first received the B9R. It has a little take up, maybe 0.100 inch maximum. Then it breaks clean with a little bit of over-travel. It is definitely everything a typical 1911 trigger is. After some use, the trigger breaks about 5 pounds now. The trigger is non-adjustable. For a base model 2011 style pistol, the trigger is better than I expected.

The Tisas Duty B9R DS uses industry standard magazines. Any 2011 pattern magazine will work. Anything from the cheaper $25 magazines, up to the elite $100 ones, they all work. The B9R comes with 2 high quality, flush fit, 17 round magazines. I have used a bunch of different magazines, including some 26 round ones. All have run flawlessly in the B9R.

I found the Tisas 1911 DS to be quite accurate. Okay, I didn’t put it in a rest at 25 yards, but I can consistently hit the headbox of a USPSA target at that range. At 7 yards I can get a 1”, 10 shot, round ragged hole. This accuracy has to be from the fact that Tisas uses a bushingless bull barrel in the B9R. They also use a 1 piece guide rod. Of course, the guide rod does make disassembly of the B9R a little more complicated, but nothing terrible. I was pleasantly surprised at how accurate the Tisas was out of the box.

Here are some of my thoughts on the Tisas B9R. It is great for the price point it is at. I got great accuracy from the factory bull barrel. It uses standard 2011 pattern magazines, which all worked flawlessly. I have had zero malfunctions in the 956 rounds I have shot through it. That was using about 7 different brands and weights of 9mm ammunition. Are there things that bother me? Yes. The iron sight cuts use 2 different styles. The rear is a Glock style dovetail, but the front is a Tisas dovetail. So good luck getting aftermarket iron sights that work together. But since I expect that most people will put an optic on it, and it is cut for a Holosun K / RMSc footprint, this doesn’t matter too much. I did like the iron sight picture, it gave me light on both sides of the post as opposed to other sight pictures that basically give you no light on the sides of the post. I ended up mounting an Aimwin PE330 red dot on it. Originally I had one of the Primary Arms Classic series on it, but the PE330 came in and has a larger window. Speaking of optics, I was informed, by a friend, that if you use one of the super large window optics like the Gideon Judge XL, you will need a small riser plate so that the optics window doesn’t hit the top of the slide. SDS Arms has this spacer, but it is not listed on their website. I was impressed with how well the B9R felt while shooting it. It is not as smooth as a $2500 2011. But, after about the first 200 rounds, the slide smoothed up nicely and still has a fairly tight slide to frame fit. Probably my most favorite aspect of the Tisas B9R is that it has aftermarket parts compatibility with most 2011 style pistols. So if you want to upgrade the trigger, or that non-textured mag release, you can.

The Tisas B9R has proved itself to be a fantastic pistol. With all its extras and the way it performs, you can’t go wrong. If you are looking at getting into the double stack 1911 game, I don’t think you can go wrong with the Tisas Duty B9R DS. It performed fantastic for me, with great accuracy and function, all at a great price. Definitely go look at the Tisas firearms and see what you think. They used to be imported by SDS Arms and Tisas’ are made in Turkey, but don’t let that scare you away from a great pistol.

Firearms Insider Reviews - Key Points

Claim to Fame:

Value priced 2011 style firearm that uses machined parts, 2011 style magazines, has a bull barrel, and is optics ready

Target Market:

Those wanting a 1911 double stack that doesn’t cost a fortune, but still has tons of features

Features, Benefits, and Specifications of this product:

Forged Steel Frame & Slide
Polymer grip
70 Series + Colt/STI® 2011 Compatible
Target‑Crowned Bull Barrel
Skeletonized Hammer & Trigger
Optic‑Ready Co‑Witness Sights
Caliber: 9MM
Frame/Receiver - Slide Finish: Cerakote
Sights: Fixed - Black Rear - White Dot Front
Optics Ready/Cut: Holosun K - RMSc
Capacity (2 Included Mags): 17 + 1
Barrel Length: 5"
Barrel Finish: QPQ Tenifer
OAL: 8.6"
Height: 5.7"
Width: 1.5"
Weight: 32.5 oz unloaded
Safety: Ambidextrous thumb & grip safeties

What other aesthetic options or finishes are available?

Carry Version

What others are saying?:

5 out of 5 Stars at Battle Hawk Armory

Benjamin A.

Fantastic Budget "2011" So far this has been a great purchase for the price. Currently at 750 rounds 100% flawless

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Price point:

MSRP = $879.88

Retail = $650 - $750

I need it now! Availability:

Battle Hawk Armory, Guns.com, Primary Arms, or your local dealer

Our Rating:

Pros:

Price
Uses 2011 parts and magazines
Shoots fantastic
Optics ready
Bull barrel
Light rail
Decent trigger
Ambi safety

Cons:

Grip needs more texture
Smooth magazine release
Hard to disassemble

Score: 8.50 Great

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Timber Creek

P320 Grip Module Review

Timber Creek Outdoors manufactures a ton of nice aftermarket parts. Their new Full size P320 grip module falls nicely into this category. As with most Timber Creek (TC) products, they come in all the fancy colors. I decided to go pretty plain, on the one they sent, and chose Tungsten as the color.

I had been looking at aluminum grip modules for the P320. So when Timber Creek came out with one, I definitely wanted to try it out. The metal grip modules just make the P320 feel and shoot differently. I opted for the “Full” size grip module. Timber Creek also has the “Pro” version and a “Carry” version.

The Full size TC P320 frame is what you would expect. It is a full length frame. So the dust cover and pic rail extend out to the end of a full length P320 slide. It also has a full length grip. So full size 17 round magazines are the minimum. The Sig 21 rounders also fit and look good in the TC grip module.

Continuing on with the TC grip module, we have the grip itself. The grip is slightly wider than a factory medium size Sig grip module. The TC measures 1.25 inches wide. However, it has some subtle grid style texture on the sides of the grip. On the frontstrap are some horizontal lines. Then on the backstrap, there is a frag pattern. I can definitely feel the frag pattern when gripping the pistol. The TC grip module also has a huge undercut trigger guard. The trigger guard also has an extra undercut in it so one can get your support hand up higher. There are also some small lines on the front of the trigger guard for indexing. The huge undercut is one of my favorite features on the TC P320 grip. Lastly, TC machined in a pretty decent mag funnel inside the grip. I might have done it a little larger, as there is some more material that could be taken off. But either way, reloads are pretty easy with the TC grip module.

One advantage, or disadvantage, the Timber Creek P320 grip module has is its weight. It weighs in at 6 ounces more than a factory Sig grip module, or the Wilson Combat one I have. This weight helps reduce muzzle rise and recoil. Since my full size P320 is not a carry gun, I like the added weight.

Installation on the TC grip module is fairly straight forward. It installs just like any P320 grip module. Empty the firearm, drop the magazine, remove the slide, Remove the slide stop, lift the front of the fire control unit (FCU) up, and remove the FCU. Installation with the new Timber Creek grip module is just the reverse order. It really is that easy to install your new TC grip module.

Overall I thought Timber Creek did a nice job on the full size P320 grip module. I still shoot the Sig better than a bunch of other pistols. The grip module didn't seem to affect the shoot ability. It did seem to cut a little muzzle flip so I could get back on target faster. This was expected with the little bit of added weight. The grip module is a little larger than the factory medium size ones so the TC grip module didn't fit my hand as well. Nothing against it, just my small hands. I was a little disappointed in the lack of texture, the grip still seemed to move around a little. I would like more, or at least a sharper, texture. That Undercut trigger guard really lets you get a high grip on the pistol which really helps with a P320. The magwell does help with finding where to put those reloads. Quick mag changes were super easy. Now a quick FYI, the TC grip module does not come with a mag release. So you will have to take your old one out, or just buy a larger aftermarket one. Even with those few complaints, I really like what TC did with their P320 grip module.

If you are looking into getting an aluminum P320 grip module, the Timber Creek one might be worth taking a look at. After all, you can get it in all the pretty colors, even purple. The grip module is very well machined, in house, at Timber Creek's facility in Springfield, Oregon. Definitely try to get your hands on one and see if it is right for you. You can check the “Pro” version out on TC's website. The “Carry” and “Full” size ones are not on their website just yet.