Glock

Kagwerks Extended & Raised slide release

 One thing that has plagued me and plenty of others with the Glock brand of pistols is the slide stop placement. The guns just don’t lock back on the last round for me all the time. For some people, they never lock back on the last round. I’ve had plenty of shooters, albeit none with much training, tell me I need to change my grip and that will solve the problem. And that is true, I could alter my grip to a less optimal one for shooting but more optimized for getting lock back. I suppose if I wanted to compromise my ability to get first second and third round hits in order to perform a reload better 17 rounds later I could do that. Those people apparently don’t really understand the concept of “most likely to least likely”. That is if I did find myself in a situation that I needed to employ deadly force are the first few hits more important or that sweet IG video like sub second reload more necessary? Obviously the former is better so maybe my grip is fine.

Photo from Kagwerks

 I’ve always worked around it and never really considered it a problem as if I don’t get lock back, I’d get a click and tap/rack,  then it’s locked back so it’s reload time. Or, if able to recognize that I’d been on the gun for more than a few shots a “click” means that mag gets dumped immediately and a new one goes in. A quick overhand rack and we’re back in business.

 Neither are perfect but there is really no other solution, or is there?

 Enter the Kagwerks extended slide release. When I first saw this I thought “neat, maybe one day i’ll check it out” and thought no more about it. That is until I saw all the hate it was getting from internet operators. Everything from “a solution looking for a problem” to “it’s a slide stop not a slide release” , and my favorite “shearing forces could cause that to break”. These claims seemed unfounded at face value and it appeared no one making them had any time with the product.

 So I reached out to the company and they were happy to send one out for review. I needed to see what the hate was about.

 Spoiler alert: I have no idea what the hate is about. I love this thing.

 It is installed easily, like any other slide stop but the company recommends a gunsmith do it. One can only assume this is for liability reasons.

Photo from Kagwerks

 I had no fitment issues with any holsters I have, so that was nice. After some dry practice it was off to the range. Long story short, it works as advertised. I had zero failures to lock back. One benefit I noticed that I hadn’t thought of is it puts the release back just enough that it’s a tad more intuitive to hit. There was very little learning curve and I don’t recall ever “missing” on a mag change. I did, however, inadvertently lock the slide back a few times during administrative racking. This gave me cause for concern so I spent a good portion of my next training session on malfunction clearances. The “problem” didn’t manifest itself at real speed in real time once. Despite operating the slide several different ways this only time I unintentionally locked the slide back was during administrative tasks that arguably I should have done anyway or should have done at full speed for positive reps. Personally I’m chalking this up to a nonissue, but your mileage may vary.

Overall the Kagwerks extend slide release gets a huge two thumbs up from me and I just can’t wait for the gen 5 version to come out as I’d like it on both of my carry guns for commonality.

Photo from Kagwerks

Do you need this? Well, probably not. For the casual plinker or ccw’r its likely to never be a problem if you don’t have this, unless it is. A buddy of mine who is a patrol cop,  who trains regularly and shoots competition told me after using one for a while “I like the concept it’s just not worth the thousands of reps to retrain myself on something radically different to maybe shave 1/10 off my reload” he also went on to say he fails to get lock back only about 10% of the time and uses his support hand to release the slide. I use my primary hand thumb to release the slide and saw very little learning curve so there could be something there.

I suppose if the gun always locks back for you it’s not for you either, got it. But, if you do experience failures to lock back from your Glock, I would encourage you to take a good look at this product. I also would really like to see a g42/43 version as the problem is much more common for me in the single stack glocks.

FIREARMS INSIDER REVIEWS - 8 KEY POINTS

CLAIM TO FAME:

Solves lock back issues for gen 3 and 4 double stack glocks in 9mm, .357sig and .40 S&w

TARGET MARKET:

Glock shooters that have a high grip or big hands or anyone that doesn’t get lock back on the last round

FNBS (FEATURES & BENEFITS OF THIS PRODUCT):

Moves the slide stop up and back

WHAT OTHER AESTHETIC OPTIONS OR FINISHES ARE AVAILABLE?

Any color you want as long as it’s black

What others are saying:

They are saying a lot. Nothing I found in written review form. A few YouTube reviews are available.

Price point:

MSRP - $45

I need it now availability:

Kagwerks

Our Rating:

Pros:

  • Works exactly as advertised

Cons:

  • It’s expensive for what it is


Score: 9.0 Amazing

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Glock 19 Gen 5

 Written by Zane M.

  In case you haven’t heard the worlds most perfect pistol just got an upgrade. That’s right perfection has been perfected. In all seriousness glock has released their gen 5 line of g19 and g17 guns and people seem to have mixed emotions.

  Being a fan of glocks, I was naturally curious and later reading a few write up and internet scuttlebutt I definitely wanted to get my hands on one.  It worked out well because a friend called saying he was getting one and did I want to check it out.

  I drove out to his house and picked up a brand new g19 gen5. “Bring it back sometime next week” he said. I also had an alert from UPS letting me know I had a case of ammo on my doorstep, how convenient.

  The new finish on slide looks very nice, it looks a bit darker and is more subdued. A blacker black if you will, and not as shiny as my gen4 and gen3 glocks. The gun lacks finger grooves, a welcomed change from most people I know, but so does my gen4 thanks to a dremmel. The barrel on the gen5 uses traditional rifling instead of the polygonal rifling glock has previously used. Probably the most notable difference aside from the lack of finger grooves is the ambidextrous slide release/stop. So if you’re wrong handed, glock thought about you. One change I was most interested in checking out was the Flared magwell. I was underwhelmed by it at first glance but it definitely grew on me. Glock is still using those plastic atrocities they call sights but this gun had already had them replaced with some fiber optics. The biggest thing I noticed is still no front cocking serrations. Come on, glock, get with it.

  The gun came to me with one magazine through it but was otherwise brand new. In the box there were three mags and mag loaded tool, Cleaning rod and brush, cable lock and manual. I took the gun to the range as it came to me with a few hundred rounds of ammo.

The trigger is a glock trigger, it seemed a bit smoother than my gen 4 and gen 3 but lighter than the g42 I used to have. The take up did seem bit stiffer but I’ll take that for the seemingly more consistent “push” if you will through the “wall” The gun handled and fired like a glock. The flared magwell did grow on me with every reload. In 300+ rounds of two hand, primary hand and support hand only shooting. I had no malfunctions to speak of aside from three failures to lock back on the last round. These were completely shooter induced and occurred with a 19, 17 and magpul 21 mag. It’s also worth noting this is a problem I have with all glocks because my support hand contacts the slide release.

  Holster compatibility was something I was curious about so I tried the gun in several that I had laying around. The starboard side slide release dragged on two of them, touched one, and worked fine with four. Two of those were home made by yours truly and the other two require the use of a weapon mount light. Overall it seemed to work in many existing holsters and with some quick modifications I don’t see why it wouldn’t work in most all of them.

  Final thoughts: I like it. For an out of the box carry/duty gun, it’s hard to beat save the sights. However, if you’re going to modify or send it off, I’d probably just save the little extra and go gen 4

Firearms Insider Reviews - 8 Key Points

Claim to Fame:

It’s a glock, not much else to say. It’s been upgraded

Target Market:

Law enforcement, security and law abiding citizen looking for a reliable, ambi pistol. And glock fanboys like myself

FNBs (Features & Benefits of this product):

  • glock reliably

  • ambidextrous slide stop

  • flared magwell

  • lack of finger grooves

  • new more durable coating

  • replaceable back straps (not new)

  • traditional rifling

What other aesthetic options or finishes are available?

None

What others are saying?:

Too New

Link to other reviews:

Concealed Nation

Price point:

MSRP = $629.00+

Retail = $559 at Brownells

I need it now! Availability:

Brownells

Our Rating:

Pros:

  • Works like a glock

  • flared magwell

  • pleasing to shoot

  • smoother trigger

Cons:

  • Still no front serrations

  • sights are still terrible (not a big deal to me)

Pros/Cons: You Decide

  • lack of finger grooves

  • ambi slide release

Score: 8.5 Great or slightly better than the gen 4

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SGM Tactical Glock Drum Magazine

SGM Tactical 50 rd Drum

You don't have to be a mathematician to know 50 is better than 33, 17, 15, or even 10. That's the simplest reasoning you need to pick yourself up a 50 round drum magazine for your Glock pistol, Keltec Sub 2000 Glock model, or your AR15 chambered in 9mm that accepts Glock magazines. When I first learned that SGM Tactical was importing these polymer drum magazines, I had to at least get one. Luckily, they were only about $69.00 at the time. That must have been an introductory price, because lately the price for these on retail shelves has almost doubled do to demand. Who doesn't want an entire box of 9mm cartridges loaded and ready in a single magazine?
Well, those who don't like the magazine weighing down their firearm down like a brick tied to the wrist. At least it gets lighter as you shoot, sort of countering the fatigue you may start to feel holding up the additional pounds. For pistol users, the drum obviously presents a holstering issue, unless you wear suspenders. Also, loading all 50 rounds into the magazine is a longer process.... more of a sit down, and make small talk to pass the time away experience. The ratcheting lever makes it easier, and with practice you could speed up the pace quite a bit. Be aware though if you ratchet too far and carelessly drop a round in the stack improperly it can end up backward to perpendicular. All and all aside from the unconventional nature of its shape, size, and weight, what's not to love!?! Firing a 50 round volley of finger-numbing of freedom is some of the funnest and most expensive time you can have at the range.

SGM Tactical 50 rd Drum

For carbine owners who insisted on having a platform that takes advantage of the abundance and quality of Glock magazines in the world, this SGM Tactical Drum Magazine is a little black treasure. Both the Keltec Sub 2000 9mm Glock model and various AR-15 platforms that accept Glock mags are what the SGM drum was designed to shine in. The stick portion of the magazine that goes in the magwell is about the same size as a 17 round magazine, so it will fit the Sub2k well, and protrude a bit low on AR15 platforms. That may be a turn off for those who dream of Lone Wolf G9 carbines or other builds such as DDLES, but thats the nature of the beast. Any shorter and you'd be getting less rounds, to a point where the tried and true 33rd "happy stick" would be a better option.
The only other Glock compatible drum magazine on the market is the Beta C-Mag, which is twice the size and over twice the price of this drum. I would recommend finding one of these Korean made drums at a good price and at least getting one or two just for an investment, if your current state of residency allows it.

Firearms Insider Reviews – 8 Key Points

Claim to Fame:  The only 50 round drum magazine available for Glocks and Firearms that accept Glock magazines.

Target Market:  Glock owners, Keltec Sub-2000 owners, 9mm AR-15 owners

FNBs (Features & Benefits of this product):

  • Finger lever moves the follower down and takes up tension
  • 50 Rounds
  • Polymer construction with steel internals
  • Fits all Glock 34, 17, 19 & 26 models, all Generations
  • Made in Korea (imported by SGM)

What other aesthetic options or finishes are available?: Black Only

What others are saying?:

"I received this drum mag on Saturday and I have to say, WOW! It is well-built, doesn't feel cheap and the built-in loader is great! I am very impressed with this mag. I have cycled it in my G19 and KT Sub2K with no problem. I got it from Mississippi Auto Arms for $69.99 (email flash sale), they have since gone up to $129.99 but Bud's has them for $89.99." Glocktalk.com Review

"Ive put around 500 rounds through this magazine with no issues. The quality and value of this drum magazine seems to be exceptional. You might not want to use it for military applications... but for range use, screwing around or for a truck gun, this is a good option" Military Arms Channel

Price point:

I need it now! Availability:  Readily available online at Brownells or locally.

Our Rating:

Pros:

  • No winding
  • Ratchet lever makes loading easy by taking tension off the follower
  • Polymer construction makes it light as possible, still pretty rugged

Cons:

  • No windows for bullet count
  • If bolt is not open you will damage the locking slots on the drum tower
  • No steel feed lips
  • No bolt hold open when empty due to roller style follower
  • Made in Korea

Score: 7.0 Good

 

 

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Glock 30S Review

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By Troy Clopton

The Glock 30S is one of the latest offering in Glock’s Compact 45 ACP Pistols. Introduced in Shot 2013 it was wildly popular within the Police and Conceal Carry Glock community.  The genesis for the Glock 30S is people found by taking the slide off the G36 and mating to the G30 SF (Short Frame) lower they could reduce the slide width and the weight yet still having the (10) + (1) capacity of the G30 SF lower. In addition the G30S will accept the G21 (13) round magazines and those could be carried for back-up.

It was known on several popular Glock blog sites that this could be done with a little bit of gun-smithing but when special unit of the LAPD requested a thinner Glock .45 for their detectives, without losing capacity. After Glock tweaked the recoil spring system and cleaned up the design they decided to release this little monster on the public.

My experience is as follows.  Right up to the arrival of the Glock 30S, I have been carrying the G30 Gen 2.5 as my daily carry gun. I carried it with (2) G21 Magazines most of the time in a hybrid IWB holster.  So it was a very comfortable transition to the G30S. I noticed the weight reduction immediately when you carry a gun daily it is very noticeable. At the range it was a shooter right out of the box, and felt comfortable enough with it that it replaced the G30 after 2 weeks of practice. The first thing I did as I do with all polymer lower guns was to order a set of rubberized Talon Grips to keep a good secure grip.Glock 30S

The great part about switching from the G30 to 30S is since the lower frame is the same all of the holsters fit and so did my spare magazines. I also moved the reliable and compact TLR4 over from my G30. I moved over my extended Slide release and slide lock release and then promptly sold my beloved G30. The newer Glock models already come with the loaded chamber indicator; I had bought a new extractor/indicator for the previous G30.

In the end, this gun has performed flawlessly for me over the last 3 months and I have well over 1,200 rounds through it. It is accurate, controllable, reliable and light for a 45 ACP. If you like the power of a 45ACP and the ability to carry 11 rounds of reliability this may be the guns for you.

Firearms Insider Reviews - 8 Key Points

Claim to Fame: “Built on the G30 SF frame, the G30S combines the full capacity .45 AUTO round count with a slimmer slide. This pistol offers a lighter, more easily concealable option for Law Enforcement and legal concealed-carry enthusiasts. Built in conjunction with elite law enforcement, the newest edition to the GLOCK product line brings a venerable history of consistency, dependability and safe performance in the powerful .45 Auto round.”

Target Market: Law Enforcement, military, concealed carry holders and gun nuts alike.

FNB's (features and benefits of this product):

  • Capacity: 10 + 1, Glock 21 magazine 13 + 1
  • Weight (empty): 20.28 oz, weight (loaded) 30.36 oz
  • Width: 1.28 inches
  • Height: 4.8 inches
  • Overall length: 6.97 inches
  • Barrel Length: 3.78 inches
  • Finish: Polymer with Tenifer coated slide
  • Trigger: Safe-action with  5.5 pound pull

What other aesthetic options or finishes are available?:  Only offered from Glock in black, but there numerous companies on-line that offer a vast variety of options to dress up your Glock.

What others are saying:  “For me, the gun was accurate and fast out of the box. If I were to use the 30S for conceal carry, I would personally opt to change out the sights for night sights (such as Trijicon 3 dot tritium) or other low light sighting system, swap in a lighter recoil spring, and put in a crisper trigger (such as The Glock Store’s Fulcrum trigger) to bring the trigger pull down from its stock 5.5lbs down to around 4lbs, a common conceal carry weight.  All in all, I really like the Glock 30S and it’ll be interesting to see if it’s successful.”

By Chris Cheng Top Shot Season 4 champion

Price Point:

Our Rating:

+ Slim and lightweight for a double stack + Reliable and durable + Reasonable pricing for pistol and accessories + Able to use full size Glock 21 magazines for spares

Score: 9.0 Amazing90

 

Glock 42 Review

glock42 Quite possibly the most anticipated firearm of SHOT Show 2014 and perhaps the whole year, is the Glock 42 .380 auto. Of course the number 1 comment about the pistol is what it isn't - a 9mm single stack pistol. Glock claims "Years of requests across market groups for a super-concealable, reliable single-stack .380 GLOCK pistol prompted extensive research and development to bring the GLOCK customer the G42." I would question if the majority of those customer requests were indeed for the .380 chambering. Despite the caliber controversy, the handgun itself is a new generation in the Glock family tree. The frame has been reduced, simplified, and altered in minute ways, making the G42 Glock's answer to the pocket pistol market, which has seen a flare up in the last 5-6 years as other manufacturers have released offerings in single stack, slimmer framed pistols that are better suited for concealed carry.

I was fortunate enough to get my hands on a G42 from a buddy at local gun shop High Mountain Hunting Supply. The loaner came with limited ammo, and literally every source in town had sold out of .380 auto except for costly self defense flavors. While my range time was somewhat brief due to ammo availability, I was able to really embrace the size and shape of the gun. I found not only the frame to be pleasingly slimmer than every other Glock I've held, but the contours of the back and frontstraps to be more comfortable. The G42's trigger doesn't have the ridges on the trigger like other Glocks, and the blade is also narrower. Thats about where the positives stop for me, as everything else about the G42 I found unsatisfactory.

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photo 3The trigger was a beast, feeling closer to 8-10lbs than the advertised 5.5lbs. It was stubborn, requiring much more pressure to achieve the break. I cannot say if this can be said for every G42 or just this one, but it was very unpleasant and made accurate shot placement difficult. The recoil itself felt about how it should with round nose 90 gr rounds. I did have some feeding issues, but again with limited ammo for the session I wasn't able to diagnose whether it was a magazine issue, an ammo issue, or a gun issue. In reading other internet review, it seems the feeding issues aren't uncommon. Most armchair Glock experts will snap "You're just limpwristing" or "You're thumbs are touching the slide, interfering with recoil." I suspect it's the dual recoil springs (sound familiar, Gen 4 owners?) or ammo, or a combination of both.

I brought along a G26 Gen3 for comparison as the previous flagship subcompact of Glock. The 42 is skinnier in the width department at 24 mm / 0.94 inches, but is still slightly wider than a Keltec P3AT or Ruger LCP. The grip of the 42 is about the same length of the grip on the 26, which still may leave the pinky finger hanging out in the wind for fellow medium-size mitted shooters. The barrel is 3.25" , and the capacity is only 6 rounds with the standard factory magazines, which is fairly common with pocket pistols of it's class. The frame's concave thumb recesses have been redesigned as a simple small ledge instead, and I found that with the smaller frame it made sense and still felt like I was able to get a good purchase every time.

With the trigger and feeding issues with the G42, I was still able to shoot better with the G26.  But that can be chalked up to time spent behind the trigger.

Comparison between the Glock 26 and the Glock 42

 

Slide comparison between the Glock 26 and the Glock 42

Frame width comparison between the Glock 26 and the Glock 42

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

All in all, I think the Glock 42 is a good concept that should have been tested and developed further to iron out some of the issues that many others are claiming. Perhaps pressure was high from the sales/marketing departments for a 2014 SHOT Show release, leading to the questionable "perfection" of this model.  Regardless, the G42 will fit a niche that seems to be growing each year as CCW permit holders increase and the market shifts to more comfortable single stack CCW-centric models. The buzz has brought .380auto shortage, becoming just as scarce as .22lr at this time in my area, I still would prefer to hold out for a single stack 9mm personally.  However for the time being, the G42 is hard to pass up, and I would encourage everyone to try it on for size. Just beware of its shortcomings, lower your expectations for the initial performance and maybe, just maybe, the one you take home will work like it should.

Firearms Insider Reviews - 8 Key Points

Claim to Fame: Made in the USA, the G42 is the smallest pistol GLOCK has ever introduced, making it ideal for pocket carry and shooters with smaller hands.

Target Market: Concealed Carry, Range Shooting, Law Enforcement Backup weapon.

FNBs (features & benefits of this product):

  • It's a Glock!
  • Gen 4 Grip Texture, but not as aggressive/raised
  • Dual Recoil Spring
  • Subtle design changes in grip and trigger
  • Same internal safety features standard in Glock pistols
  • Same Tenifer finish
  • Skinnier than previous Glock subcompacts in slide and frame width, grip depth and width

What other aesthetic options or finishes are available?: Good ol'd Glock Black

What others are saying?: 

  •  "I bought a G42 and have had nothing but problems. When firing Federal FMJ 95 grain, 980 FPS the slide locks to the rear on the second round as if the mag is empty. When firing JHP, the extractor fails to remove the spent casing from the chamber. I sent it back to Glock and they very quickly sent it back with a note that it was within factory specs. I took it to the range and experienced the same issues. I just sent it back for a second time and will see if they actually corrected the problem this time." User comment on The Gun Writer
  •  "This gun is a failure. A 380 in this small of a package is designed strictly for defense. A defensive gun that will NOT shoot defensive ammo is a failure. That is an inarguable fact... To the guys having problems with the gun, it's NOT you, it's the gun. I too have had the same problems. BS on the your limp wristing it, you're a newbie, it's the aftermarket magazine (there aren't any right now sport). The likes of Jerry Miculek, Hickok45, et al, are having the same problems that you are. Glock needs to cut there losses and recall them and fix the problem. I have 6 other Glocks, the 42 was my 7th. It went back to Glock for repair twice. They are sending me a different model entirely, a 26 to be exact. Glock failed on this one I'm sorry to say. Good luck to you guys having problems. Again gents, it's not you." User comment on The Gun Writer
  • "Great little gun. Recoil is... nonexistent!!!!! Kicks way less than my previous .380 (Bersa). Not small enough to call it a micro, but tiny anyways and easy to conceal (not to mention that it's super lightweight). Took it to the range after a good cleaning and it proved to be very accurate. Reliability is outstanding as well. I shot 200 rounds of Aguila HPs, had no malfunctions whatsoever and many groups consisted of all shots touching (7 yds).Budsgunshop.com review

Price Point:

I need it now! Availability: Local Gunshops or Online Dealers

Our Rating:

  • The smaller length of the .380 cartridge allows for a shorter grip depth, which lets the shooter's hands wrap around the gun further and absorb recoil much better than with other 9mm Glocks.
  • More easily concealed when carrying in pocket, bag, IWB holster, belly band, or baked goods.
  • Pretty much the G19's little brother
  • The aggressiveness/height of the Gen 4 grip texture was subtly reduced on the G42, without sacrificing friction.
  • High demand means if you don't like it, someone out there will take it off your hands for you.

  • Feeding issues widely reported, possibly related to dual recoil spring or ammo.

  • It doesn't go "bang" as reliable as the existing tried and true Glocks are known for.

 FI 7.0Score: 7.0 Good

 

 

Glock 20 Gen 4 10mm Auto

Glock 20 Gen 4 10mm

By Reed Snyder

I have always been a Sig Sauer enthusiast. When my sights strayed from the line of pistols that were my first love, they never fell on polymer pistols. I have however always been curious about the 10mm cartridge. Along my travels, I then developed an appreciation for the .357 Sig cartridge, a distant cousin to the 10mm. When Glock began phasing in the 4th generation of pistols, I found myself drawn to the G20. My desire to acquire a polymer pistol I once scoffed at was again strengthened as I discovered the range of aftermarket barrels that could be installed in the G20. The available barrels allow for the chambering of the .40 S&W as well as the venerable .357 Sig. I was sold, I had to own one. I began my search and failed to find an internet source that priced the pistols anywhere near retail. I was shocked to not only find one in stock at my Local Gun Store, but I found one that was priced to sell at the MSRP. I took my pistol to the range and I was very impressed with how the G20 tamed the 10mm cartridge. Glock and its products have earned a reputation for reliability and simplicity, and justifiably so. The G20 Gen 4 does not disappoint in this regard. The G20 is only slightly larger than the G17 in most of its dimensions and is not all that different in its handling. I am growing fonder of the polymer pistols as I spend more time with the G20 and make no mistake about it, I love my G20. However, I am reminded that the money I saved by buying a polymer pistol may have been in part due to the simplistic standard sights and the rather rough factory trigger. The aftermarket parts arena makes provision for a number of upgrades that can easily take the edge off my dissatisfaction with those two items. After spending time on the pistol, I would heartily recommend the G20 to anyone interested in the 10mm cartridge or a Glock enthusiast looking to complete their collection.

Firearms Insider Reviews - 8 Key Points

Claim to Fame:  Reliability and Simplicity

Target Market:  Hunters and Enthusiasts

F&B's:

  • Key Features
  1. Polymer frame.
  2. Aggressive stippling on the grip
  3. Glock’s “Safe Action”® System.
  4. Dual Recoil Spring Assembly
  5. Modular Backstrap System
  6. Enlarged Reversible Magazine Catch.
  7. Loaded chamber indicator
  • Key Benefits
  1. Light and durable
  2. Design and construction reduces felt recoil
  3. Easy to take down and service

Does it come in black?:  Aftermarket parts are widely available as are aftermarket barrels.  Examples of where to find them are listed below.

What others are saying?:

Price point:

  • MSRP = Glock Site - MSRP is not readily available
  • Retail = The G20 Gen 4 is a little hard to come by.  Retailers are selling the Gen 3’s as fast as they can to clear inventory, so availability of the Gen 4’s is spotty.

I need it now!:  Gunbroker.com is the place with the most access to available G20 Gen 4’s.

Our Rating:

+Recoil from the 10mm cartridge is tamed +Simple controls and manual of arms +Reliability, reliability, reliability. +Reasonably priced

-Standard Glock sights -Unsatisfactory factory trigger

Score - 8.0 Great80

Reed Snyder

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Glock 17 Gen. 4

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Mikes Glockby Mike Emert Firearms Insider Reviews - 8 Key Points Claim to Fame: Its superior reliability and simplicity Target Market: Law Enforcement, Competitive Shooters, Homeowners, Target shooters FNBs (Features & Benefits of this product) Key Features:

  • Polymer frame.
  • Aggressive stippling on the grip
  • 3 safety features including Trigger safety, Drop safety, and Striker safety.
  • Upgraded recoil spring
  • 17 round magazine capacity with optional 19 or 33.
  • Ability to modify the magazine catch to left hand shooter.
  • Adjustable grip size.
  • Loaded chamber indicator.
  • 5.5 lb. trigger.
  • 4.5" barrel.

Key Benefits:

  • Light and durable
  • Heavy trigger pull for high stress situations
  • High magazine capacity
  • Easy to take down

Does it come in black? Yes. And many options for customization. Lone Wolf Distributors Glockmeister What others are saying? Most people who shoot the G17 love it! The Truth About Guns Guns and Ammo Price point (MSRP versus actual retail)

  • MSRP = $549 (Must go through a dealer)
  • Retail = Buds Gun Shop offers them for $539 with a cash discount

Used = Gun Broker has had them as low as $440 I need it now! Availability: You can get the G17 Gen4 at virtually any local gun shop or online retailer. Our Rating: You can’t go wrong with Glock. It’s a versatile platform which is easy to learn and easy to operate.  Their reputation proves they are reliable and there really is no good argument against that. + Reliable, reliable, reliable! + Light weight + Minimal amount of parts + If there is a function or feature you want changed, it’s easy to do it. + 17 round magazine - Ugly (But I can get past that). - Some have experienced spent brass hitting them in the face. Score 9.5 Amazing!Amazing

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What do you think? If there is someone who doesn’t like the G17 Gen4 for some other reason than personal preference then I sure would like to know why.  I understand some people may not shoot Glock as well as they shoot another gun due to their body type or their personal mechanics.  The G17 Gen4 has really set the bar high as far as reliability goes, and you can’t get any more simple in the operation of the gun.  It’s rugged and trusted by law enforcement agents worldwide.  Popularity is not always the best way to determine a product’s quality but when lives are at stake, popularity is probably the biggest factor to consider.